Company PermIDs Changing Over Time

cupoftea
cupoftea
in Open PermID

Hi,

I've noticed that some companies have PermIDs (OrgPermIDs) that change over time, with the metadata (the knowledge graph, the linked stock quote) being migrated from one to the other. There doesn't appear to be any obvious reason why this occurs, could I please get some product specialist insight into why and when this happens?

It is troublesome to monitor these changes over time, is there a notification channel or other way that these alterations can be broadcast as they happen?

Here are some examples of companies that have had changes in their main OrgPermID (with most of the earlier ones now resting as stub records):

TPG Telecom: 4295856742 -> 5000944028
Pietdmont Lithium: 4295858258 -> 5080197010
US Ecology: 4295905515 -> 5071084498
Cimpress: 5000103184 -> 5071559705
Myovant: 5051001953 -> 5052135300
JD Health: 5076389497 -> 5076941233
Inmobiliaria: 5038075738 -> 4295889320
Forterra: 5036753213 -> 5050704333


Thank you!

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  • aleksandra.wawrzyniak
    aleksandra.wawrzyniak
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    Hello @cupoftea ,

    I can add some details regarding the pairs you've shared:

    TPG Telecom: 4295856742 -> 5000944028

    5000944028 is TPG TELECOM LIMITED public company and it is a parent of 4295856742 TPG CORPORATION LIMITED


    Pietdmont Lithium: 4295858258 -> 5080197010

    5080197010 is a public company, incorporated in US - PIEDMONT LITHIUM INC. parent of PIEDMONT LITHIUM LTD 4295858258, incorporated in Australia


    US Ecology: 4295905515 -> 5071084498

    5071084498 US ECOLOGY, INC. is a public company and parent of 4295905515 US ECOLOGY HOLDINGS, INC.


    Cimpress: 5000103184 -> 5071559705

    Cimpress plc (5071559705) is a public company, incorporated in Ireland. Cimpress N.V. (5000103184), incorporated in the Netherlands was merged into Cimpress plc. Cimpress N.V. is an inactive company


    Myovant: 5051001953 -> 5052135300

    Myovant Sciences Ltd.(5052135300) based in UK, incorporated in Bermuda is a public company, parent of Myovant Sciences Ltd (5051001953) from US


    JD Health: 5076389497 -> 5076941233

    JD HEALTH INTERNATIONAL INC. (5076941233) is based in China, JD Health (HK) Ltd (5076389497) in Hong Kong


    Inmobiliaria: 5038075738 -> 4295889320

    5038075738 (INMOBILIARIA COLONIAL, S. A.) is inactive as it was merged into 4295889320 Inmobiliaria Colonial, SOCIMI, S.A.


    Forterra: 5036753213 -> 5050704333

    Forterra PLC (5050704333) is from UK, while Forterra Inc (5036753213) from Canada


    as you can see, those are not the same companies. PermID cannot be changed for an organization, it stays permanent (that is why we call it PERM ID). Instruments can move between organizations, as companies change its status, getting acquired or merged.

    Please let us know if you have any questions, we'll be happy to assist.

    Best Regards,

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  • Jirapongse
    Jirapongse

    @cupoftea

    Thank you so much for your feedback.

    I will contact the PermID team to verify the data.

  • cupoftea
    cupoftea
    Thank you for this investigation Aleksandra. I see that instruments can move between orgs so I'll likely have to monitor this from my side.

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